Podcast: Two Cents' Worth

Domestic violence really a workplace issue?

Danielle (not her real name) was the victim of domestic violence, and knows all too well how abusive relationships can impact working life.

“I actually moved through a couple of jobs just because of the situation I was in.. so I couldn’t really hold down a job very long.”

It is years after she left the abusive relationship, and thankfully through the help of Women’s Refuge and New Zealand’s national domestic abuse charity, SHINE, she’s back on her feet and now in a stable, permanent job. But she remembers how hard it was to work when she was trapped in an abusive situation. 

“I was doing mostly administrative work and he used to follow me… and intimidate other male coworkers, and that would get me kicked out of the job. I did leave a couple of jobs because they were like ‘we feel uncomfortable with him’. I could tell him that, but I felt I had no power at the time to sort of get myself out of it, so I just sort of left the job and went onto the next really”

Danielle’s story is not unique. One in three women in New Zealand experience domestic violence, and that number goes as high as one in two if you count psychological abuse.

Janet Fanslow is an associate professor at the School of Population Health at the University of Auckland and has been leading huge data collection projects to understand the scale of domestic violence in New Zealand. She says it’s high time employers acknowledge the impact of domestic violence on staff.  

“With the population based statistics that we have, it’s not really a question of do you have someone in your workplace who it’s an issue for, it’s a question of do you know about it and are you doing the things you need to help?”

So what do employers need to do to help? Well the new law now entitles employees experiencing domestic violence to ten days annual domestic violence leave (which may be used to attend court hearings or moving to a new safe house) as well as access to short term flexible working hours.

But is that enough? Danielle says that it’s a step in the right direction but that getting out of a domestic relationship is more complex and time consuming than the law acknowledges.

“When it comes to taking time off for court cases and stuff like that, that’s gonna take years and years and years to even settle because I experienced it even after I finally got out of that relationship about two years later, I was still having to attend court cases”

But many businesses have gone beyond the requirements of the law to make sure their staff feel supported when it comes to getting out of abusive domestic situations. Holly Carrington runs SHINE’s Domestic Violence Free (DVFree) training programme and she says it’s been hard to keep up with demand since the legislation came into action in April.

Carrington recommends that businesses educate all their staff on how to respond if someone in the work place is either perpetrating or experiencing domestic violence, and training up a few members of staff to become “first responders”.

“It’s really important that that first disclosure when someone is telling someone for the first time about their experience of domestic violence that people know how to respond appropriately”

She says that employers should also have a strategy to keep employees safe at work and help facilitate their contact with expert support organisations such as SHINE or Women’s Refuge.

But according to Alan McDonald, the General Manager of Advocacy at the Employers and Manufacturer’s Association, there’s been some resistance.

“It’s really clear to say from the outset that we support what’s being done here, but there’s a little bit of a feeling among businesses that ‘how is this a business problem’?”

He says that with the accumulation of holiday pay, sick pay and parental leave -  small to medium sized businesses are concerned about how they’ll fund another ten days of paid leave.

But Janet Fanslow says that the new law is just a logical extension of other types of personal leave.

“Nobody’s life, they’re home life is never immune or separate from their work life, and so it’s actually another step in acknowledging that and actually to get the best out of people you need to support them to deal with the situations that are ongoing in their lives”

Fanslow also points out the economic cost of not supporting staff through domestic violence.

“The estimates around are that it’s already costing the country around 370 million dollars each year in terms of lost productivity… not only in terms of impaired workplace performance but then also some of those other costs around if you lose employees because they’re not able to maintain the work… costs associated with readvertising, rehiring, retraining,” she said.

But McDonald says that business are also concerned and confused about privacy issues.

“Who gets to know within the business? How you manage that? Do you have obligations around reporting these things to the police? – they’re the kind of questions we’ve been getting. The legislation itself remains silent on the Privacy Act but out team here [at EMA] when they look through it, there’s actually about a dozen parts of the Privacy Act that apply… so it makes it quite complicated in some areas if you don’t know what you’re doing.”

The law means well, but businesses need a bit more practical advice when it comes to putting policies in action. In the wake of the new legislation, business are seeking that advice in the form of training and free online resources – but time will tell whether businesses remain committed to supporting their staff through domestic violence, and how much of an impact workplace policy can have on this huge social problem.

Janet Fanslow says the law is at least the first step in acknowledging that domestic violence is something we all need to work together to fight…

“It is literally our business, it is all our business… we talk about it takes a community to raise a child, well it takes a community to actually to make a safe and productive place for us all”.

About Two Cents' Worth

Two Cents' Worth has been launched by Newsroom in a co-production with RNZ. It is the country's first weekly business podcast and will be broadcast just after the midday news on Sundays on RNZ National, will be available on both RNZ and Newsroom's websites and can also be found on iTunes and other podcast apps.

Each week we will examine one issue in depth and then convene a panel discussion. Here is this week's version on RNZ as well. 

Two Cents' Worth - the business week and the business outlook. Previous episodes are below.

Episode 1: The rise of double cab utes, the TAB's big profit and a threat to small electricity retailers.

Episode 2: Why your first job is crucial, why interest rates are so low and why wholesale power prices are so high

Episode 3: Inside a zombie town as its mill faces a closure decision, how a New Zealand company won big in Singles day and the future of Vector after the departure of chairman Michael Stiassny.

Episode 4: The rule of 8s and Trade Me’s big buyer

Episode 5: Why we don't buy cheap petrol

Episode 6: Inside open banking

Episode 7: A ride sharing revolution

Episode 8: Salmon set to surpass dairy, save the planet

Episode 9: The wedding economy: a love story  

Episode 10: Our place in the space race

Episode 11: How NZ changed world economies  

Episode 12: The Park Mews effect 

Episode 13: Refashioning NZ's rag trade 

Episode 14: Recycling plastic won't save the world 

Episode 15: The secret battle of the CPTPP

Episode 16: Raw power in the internet era 

Episode 17: Hundreds more Bryans 

Episode 18: Growing a cannabis economy 

Episode 19: Opening the books 

Episode 20: The autism employment conundrum 

Episode 21: What exactly is a wellbeing budget? 

Episode 22: Behind bizarre economic indicators

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